this year for obama in particular. >> the fact that the headline seems to be -- the gaff ise of the headline. >> -- the gaffe is the headline. >> i am wondering what would be the most important thing for me to look at when i am watching the debate. what would be the number 1. the debate is open. what should i be looking at? >> my perspective would be the thing you want to look for is, democratic leadership. how does this person perform democratic leadership? as americans we have conflicting expectations that the president be democratic, or ordinary, someone who acts like we would, someone who will subordinate themselves to the public will and be a public servant. someone who was democratic and with the people, but someone who is leaderly, at the top of the hierarchy. someone who is extraordinary and can take charge of public problems rather than just take order. and there has to be a very delicate balance. that seems to me what gets overstepped. that is what i look at. you look at times when it is overstaffed. george w. -- george h. w. bush looking at his watch, it seems to be a violation of